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Subject:Authentication of Celadon Saucer w/mark
Posted By: Joe T Mon, Jun 03, 2013 IP: 98.82.132.65
I'm reall unsure about this bur I think it is Daoguang for the following reasons: The bubbles in the glaze over the mark are not uniform in size, The black glaze is under the enamel and fugative wherever it is unglazed, the white enamel erupts through the pink, the enamels are translucent, the glaze on the base is orange peeled. On the other hand: the entire piece has black "soot" on it. This material is on the rim and surface of the glaze (above the bubbles) but underneath the enamels, the mark does not match any I've found. Please share your thoughts on the date, mark and "soot", THANKS!







Subject:Re: Authentication of Celadon Saucer w/mark
Posted By: Anthony J Allen Mon, Jun 03, 2013
Hi Joe,
The majority of these famille rose enamel plates on a celadon ground date to the Daoguang reign (1820 to 1850). One could possibly even make a case for your plate's casually painted mark being mark and period.
However, the celadon ground palette was also popular both before and after Daoguang, so such generalisations should be used with caution.
Regards
Tony

Subject:Re: Authentication of Celadon Saucer w/mark
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Jun 04, 2013
As Tony mentions, many such celadon wares, including large numbers painted in Canton famille rose enamels, were made during the Daoguang period. This plate's mark is a bit too "freehand" for my weak eyes, but the painting style for the cockerel motif also is evident on later Qing dishes, including some with Tongzhi and Guangxu marks, albeit none in celadon that I've seen. Below in the first picture is a cockerel-pattern two-piece porcelain wine warmer with Tongzhi mark, which has decoration that looks rather like that on the wine jar in the second picture, which has a Guangxu mark (not shown). Of course it is entirely possible that both are mark & period.

Best regards,

Bill H.





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