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Subject:A JADE RITUAL NOTCHED DISC (XUANJI), NEOLITHIC PERIOD??
Posted By: Jac Sat, Feb 22, 2014 IP: 218.212.242.167 Take a close look at this jade ritual notched disc for sale with a USD 80,000 to 100,000 price estimate, in an upcoming Sotheby auction on 18 Mar 2014 in New York: |
Subject:Re: A JADE RITUAL NOTCHED DISC (XUANJI), NEOLITHIC PERIOD??
Posted By: Jac Mon, Feb 24, 2014 Take a closer look at the rest of the jades offered for sale in this auction, Lot 114 to 164. |
Subject:Re: A JADE RITUAL NOTCHED DISC (XUANJI), NEOLITHIC PERIOD??
Posted By: Daniel Sun, Feb 23, 2014 Sotheby's and Christie's have a pretty strict guideline towards provenance with Chinese pieces so if this piece is listed by them, it can most likely trace its history to a documented neolithic tomb excavation which is why it could fetch a higher price. In 10 years the price of Chinese antiquities has exponentially skyrocketed to insane levels (in accordance to the Chinese economy) so I dont find it that shocking the piece is now valued at such a level. In the future I am certain they will continue as long as the Chinese economy follows. |
Subject:Re: A JADE RITUAL NOTCHED DISC (XUANJI), NEOLITHIC PERIOD??
Posted By: adam Mon, Feb 24, 2014 PROVENANCE AT THE TOP AUCTIONS MEANS NO SUCH THING!!...LAST TIME I ENTERED SOME ITEMS THE RULES WERE: SONG-QING no provenance required |
Subject:Re: A JADE RITUAL NOTCHED DISC (XUANJI), NEOLITHIC PERIOD??
Posted By: LEE Tue, Feb 25, 2014 The piece appears to have the right carving technique and aging process. take a look at the area near the hole in the center it is of a whiter shade, like a halo. There are surface spot calcification that extends into the jade. There are root tracks. 2 parallel possibly string cut marks. The quality of the material in my opinion isn't as important as the authenticity of the antiquity. The only piece I suspect is modern later than 1900s, from the photos is lot 147 where the cut on the grooves have perpendicular tool marks, which could be cut with a rotating round diamond drill such grooves should be cut by ancient disc with tool marks parallel to the cut. There is a Han dynasty finial of a bird that is very interesting and has similarity to a large Han dynasty duck matt weight I bought from Christies King Street as few years ago marked as Ming. |
Subject:3 JADE RITUAL NOTCHED DISC (XUANJI), From Museums
Posted By: Jac Wed, Feb 26, 2014 Three notched discs from museums that are similar to the one offered for sale in the Sotheby's auction (Lot 123) are presented below for comparison. |
Subject:Re: 3 JADE RITUAL NOTCHED DISC (XUANJI), From Museums
Posted By: John R Thu, Feb 27, 2014 Jac, |
Subject:Re: 3 JADE RITUAL NOTCHED DISC (XUANJI), From Museums
Posted By: Jac Fri, Feb 28, 2014 Hi John, |
Subject:Re: 3 JADE RITUAL NOTCHED DISC (XUANJI), From Museums
Posted By: adam Sun, Mar 02, 2014 I would be a bit careful with the books that date to so long ago...many facts have been disproved... |
Subject:Re: 3 JADE RITUAL NOTCHED DISC (XUANJI), From Museums
Posted By: Super Sun, Mar 02, 2014 Despite your previous interesting comments and pictures posted by you in your Hongshan thread in this forum, I must commend your recent effort in starting some serious jade discussions and I commend John R's willingness in assisting you. I first heard of Laufer was from reading Prof. S. Howard Hansford's jade books (e.g. Chinese Jade Carvings; Chinese Carved Jades) when he quoted from Laufer's works repeatedly. It may not be a bad idea to collect some of his books/articles and those of Prof. Hansford. Another good reference jade book may be "Chinese Jade Throughout the Ages" written by Stanley Charles Knott. I was amazed by your honesty and courage in making the statement: "All the academic knowledge on jades that I have are obtained from the internet." I believe quite a few of us might have started our jade collecting that way, many still stayed the same but a few of us might have progressed. I feel that you may be on a turning point. Sadly, one of my best friends, although very smart, still believes the US$ 25,000 Hongshan/Neolithic jade collections he purchased mostly from eBay is worth about half a million dollars, he also wrote a book with photos of his jade collection in it, selling the book at one time on Amazon.com |
Subject:$25 Jade Disc With 2 Chilongs, Archaic??
Posted By: Jac Sun, Mar 09, 2014 Hi Super, |
Subject:Re: $25 Jade Disc With 2 Chilongs, Archaic??
Posted By: Ernest Wilhelm Mon, Mar 10, 2014 This sure has a "dead" look to it, no life at all. Another pointer, if it is that dirty, beware !!!This one shows what a modern "copy" looks like. |
Subject:Re: $25 Jade Disc With 2 Chilongs, Archaic??
Posted By: Super Sun, Mar 30, 2014 Hi, Jac: |
Subject:Re: $25 Jade Disc With 2 Chilongs, Archaic??
Posted By: Jac Mon, Mar 31, 2014 Hi Super, |
Subject:20TH CENTURY JADE DISCS (BI)
Posted By: Jac Wed, Mar 05, 2014 Take a close look at the jade discs from this site to see what old fake neolithic Bi discs look like: |
Subject:Western Han Dynasty Jade Sword Fittings - Part 1/2
Posted By: Jac Tue, Mar 18, 2014 Western Han dynasty jade sword fittings, from a museum, presented here to help the eyes to recognize genuine archaic jade artifacts. |
Subject:Western Han Dynasty Jade Sword Fittings - Part 2/2
Posted By: Jac Tue, Mar 18, 2014 Western Han Dynasty Jade Sword Fittings: |
Subject:Re: A JADE RITUAL NOTCHED DISC (XUANJI), NEOLITHIC PERIOD??
Posted By: Jac Thu, Mar 20, 2014 Sold for USD 75,000. |
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