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Subject:Tokugawa Imari?
Posted By: Jim Fri, Nov 07, 2014 IP: 66.169.108.94
This is advertised as 'early Tokugawa Imari'. Appreciate any thoughts or comments. Regards, Jim



Subject:Re: Tokugawa Imari?
Posted By: Joe Sun, Nov 16, 2014
It's not Tukugawa early or late, which was the shogunate period from 1603 to 1868. It's simply a mid-twentieth century (post WWII) decorative piece. The metal work is very common from the 1950s into the 1970s.

Subject:Re: Tokugawa Imari?
Posted By: Jim Mon, Nov 17, 2014
Joe, thank you very much for your time and knowledge, regards, Jim

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Subject:Re: Tokugawa Imari?
Posted By: Arjan Tue, Nov 18, 2014
Hi all,

I have an other idea...... My guess is that the porcelain is old(er) and once was a cup with a lid and was transformed and framed in the metal in the 20th. century.

Regards,

Arjan

Subject:Re: Tokugawa Imari?
Posted By: Jim Wed, Nov 19, 2014
Thanks Arjan, I had wondered if that might be the case. Regards, Jim

Subject:Re: Tokugawa Imari?
Posted By: Arjan Sat, Nov 22, 2014
Even the mounting could be done earlier. Herewith an example of a 19th. century mounting. (as claimed by William Word)

Regards,

Arjan



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Subject:Re: Tokugawa Imari? Not at all!
Posted By: Joe Sat, Nov 22, 2014
Okay, that's it. I'll chime in once more; the metal work on this post and the linked item are not even similar in age, quality or style, nor is the porcelain. I'm very concerned about the willfully ignorant or down right unscrupulous dealers who falsely identify mass produce, post-war Japanese decorative objects brought to the U.S. by American servicemen by the boat-load as "Meiji", or in this case, even worse; "Tokugawa"! Arjan’s linked piece is Meiji, c 1890, with nice quality porcelain and gilded mounts that became popular in the last quarter of the 19th century. In fact, mounts were often placed on the nicer Meiji pieces in Europe. This post is of a mass produced porcelain with 1950s-70s brass mounts that can be found in antique stores all over the U.S. for $75 to $500, depending on size and porcelain quality. The first clue that the seller is very clueless or just dishonest is their claim that it's "early Tokugawa"! That would make it nearly 400 years old! Seriously?! Absolutely nothing decorative in any way similar to this, whether nice quality of the Meiji era or low quality of the post-war era was produced prior to the 1870s. Wishful thinking will not make it so, and when any seller makes absolutely ridiculous claims about age, run, don't walk, for the nearest exit.

Subject:Re: Tokugawa Imari? Not at all!
Posted By: Jim Sun, Nov 23, 2014
Arjan, thanks again for your additional input and the link.
Joe, thank you very much for taking the time to add your thoughts.
Regards, Jim

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