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Own this for a long time and who could read the characters and will be able to tell age off making ?

thanks

rat and others will please correct me if I'm reading the characters wrong.

There was a recent discussion of similar champleve pieces at the link.

Your piece seems to be a combination of floral motifs and "ancient" Taotie motifs.

I really don't know if the Chinese or Japanese made pieces like this in the 19th century as well.

Seems doubtful that if would be almost 600 years old, though.

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Thanks for your answer and would be nice if it is that old . So hopefully some off the others will react . Any idea off what the use was off the bronze ?

The mark reads "Made during the Xuande Reign of the Great Ming Dynasty" (Mandarin: Da Ming Xuan-de Nian Zhi). The mark uses a "de" character that I believe was not used in imperial porcelain reign marks of the Xuande period.

While not claiming to have the last word on the subject, I don't recall seeing a mark like this one identified convincingly as of the Xuande period on bronzes either. That being said, the Chinese did make some champlevé vases similar to this in the 19th century, if not earlier, I think. It may be possible to base judgments re origins in this case on whether the body is cast or fabricated, as well as how thick the base is. Most of the Japanese late 19th century and subsequent champlevé vases I've encountered were fabricated by processes that left conspicuous lines at their joints, in addition to having thin bottoms that sometimes were loosely soldered in place. I believe a lot of the late 19th century Chinese champlevé vases (and other common bronze vessels) were more likely to have sandcast second or later-generation apocryphal Xuande marks that were heavier than on Japanese vases but also were soldered in place. Most but not all had marks containing the same "de" character with horizontal stroke between the "eyes" and "heart" elements on its right side.

Keep in mind, these are my subjective observations, not based on definitive research.

Best regards,

Bill H.

Thanks Bill and had a very good look at it . There's no joining marks to be found at all especially where the side ornaments are . Measured the thickness off the bottom plate and that's in between 1 1/5 up to 2 mm in thickness . measured on the flat space not on the mark itself . weight total is 706 grams . There's also no joints to be found on the brass lining at all . Made some more detailed pictures to maybe see better ?

Searched "Champleve Chinese" and found these pictures of a pair of Japanese vases.

They display better the "ancient" Taotie motifs.

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