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Subject:Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: Mark Stewart Fri, Mar 27, 2015 IP: 109.152.249.16 Attractive lidded bottle vase with an inscription,which I believe makes reference to the Chinese poet Dongli (Ma Zhiyuan) but even on this, I am unsure. What has really got me thinking is the pallet. Is it verte or rose, seems to comprise elements of both. Perhaps it is neither. |
Subject:Re: Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: Mat Mon, Mar 30, 2015 Hi, I do not think this is Chinese at all, I have an identical one and believe it is Japanese Satsuma-style ware, but produced in Kyoto, from the end of the 19th century. I never found the exact mark, but I would think the maker is Kinkozan? Maybe others can help reading the mark...However, I do not think it is referring to Dongli, as the last sign means "zo" (made at), which is typical for a maker's mark. |
Subject:Re: Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: Guy Tue, Mar 31, 2015 The mark reads 'Tôritei zô' (東籬亭造). A Japanese commercial site that sells a vase from the same workshop, confirms that it was a Kyoto based maker active in the Meiji period. Found no further relevant info. |
Subject:Re: Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: Mark Tue, Mar 31, 2015 Many thanks for the information Mat. It was a great help. |
Subject:Re: Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: Guy Tue, Mar 31, 2015 Here's a link to a similar vase, signed 'Tôritei zô'. |
Subject:Re: Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: mikeoz Tue, Mar 31, 2015 The signature is Chinese - Dong LiHeng Zao |
Subject:Re: Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: Mat Wed, Apr 01, 2015 Thank you Guy, I had never heard of that maker! |
Subject:Re: Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: Mark Thu, Apr 02, 2015 Thanks to everyone for their contributions. The balance of opinion seems to be that it is indeed a Japanese late Meiji vase. |
Subject:Re: Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: Guy Fri, Apr 03, 2015 IMO, the correct appelation should be Kyoto 'Awata ware' (Awatayaki - 粟田焼). |
Subject:Re: Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: Arjan Fri, Apr 03, 2015 Not (that)late ... I think it dates from around 1885. |
Subject:Re: Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: Mark Sun, Apr 05, 2015 $30,000 for my vase seems a little steep, perhaps ceramic baskets are more prized than bottle vases. Nice thought though. |
Subject:Re: Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: Bill H Mon, Apr 06, 2015 I checked that price and came up with 185,000.00 JPY = 1,554.74 USD. Still nothing to sneeze at. |
Subject:Re: Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: guy Mon, Apr 06, 2015 Mark, |
Subject:Re: Famille Rose, Famille Verte or Niether?
Posted By: Mark Tue, Apr 07, 2015 $30,000 or $1550............it's only money......right.. |
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