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Subject:Please DO NOT tell me you understand Chinese culture
Posted By: Super Thu, Feb 18, 2016
I probably should have kept my mouth shut but I just could not see a Gweilo who kept running his mouth here saying hogwash like:
"You missed the rule number 1 about Chinese Culture: you are not Chinese therefore no matter how hard you try you will never get it."
I am Chinese and I surely could not get it either and I hate to say, you are really not that funny, may be only to yourself.
How dare you said "but my point of view is the Chinese one as in Chinese History and Chinese Culture", that was the most arrogant and egotistic statement I had ever read. No real Chines will ever make such an arrogant statement.
That reminded me when I was attending a Catholic secondary school (form 1 - form 7) in Hong Kong a while ago, an Italian Marist brother who loved to say mass to us at least once a week, not in Italian, not in English, not in Latin but in Cantonese, unfortunately his Cantonese was no better than your understanding of either the Chinese culture or Chinese jade. We had to suffer for a whole hour at least once a week, standing there (not enough seats for the whole school) and listened to his mumble jumble without understanding a word he said. He smiled and had a lot of fun just like we had to endure your nonsense while you had a lot of fun at our expenses.
Just because you had lived in China or Hong Kong for a few years, went to some museums or jade shops, talked to some jade collectors and pretended to be a Hongshan jade expert, did not qualify you to be an expert in either jade or Chinese culture.
You kept talking about jade in "Chinese tradition", which Chinese tradition? Before the mid Qing dynasty, jadeite was not considered as "real jade". So if we have a Qing dynasty jadeite piece, would you call it "fake jade" then?
Have you ever asked what average Chinese think jade are? Hetain nephrite jade? You must be kidding, I guarantee you 99 out of 100 Chinese people would tell you real jade is jadeite or anything that is green. How often did you see Chinese wear white jade, Hetian or not?
Your statement"
Books are good, but does anyone have ever learned surf/sky from reading books, it helps but frankly I know illiterate people who know more than me just by being on the field."
that speaks loud and clear about your ignorance and wrong attitude toward the study of jade.
Yes, to be a surgeon, one does need to practice and do real surgery, but before one can be a real surgeon, one still need to go to an accredited medical school and study medical books and learn all the basics, otherwise, you would only be a barber surgeon like long time ago in England (even some of those barber surgeons did have text books). For any one just to base his own observations and experience obtained from studying jade and believed he/she knew everything about jade without believing he/she ever needs to read any jade books written by respected jade experts, to me is like a frog looks at the sky at the bottom of a well and says it knows everything about the sky. How funny!
Sadly, most the jade experts and scholars on Chinese jades around early Republic and before ROC were mostly westerners, many of whom spending their life time in China, studying jade and published their life time findings in valuable jade books. For you to believe "foreigners" knew nothing about Chinese jade, was really a big slap to all of their contributions and again shows your total ignorance and egotistic attitude.
Had you ever read or owned any jade books written by:
Dr. S. Howard Hansford
Stanley Charles Nott (Chinese Jade throughout the Ages)
Richard Gump
Do you know who Boda Yang is?
How much money had you spent on the purchase of serious jade books before you posted all of your statements regarding Chinese jade here?
Do you know the five virtues of a Chinese gentlemen? Do you know why they are important?
How many years had you spent in the study of Chinese history, culture and literature for you to become such an expert in the Chinese culture?
Can you read Chinese? If you cannot, how in the world did you obtain your expertise on Chinese culture or Chines jade to know the real Chines tradition on jade? From internet? From just living in China?
For you to say such garbage (yes rubbish) like this to Ernest:
" the canadian nephrite, is not "good jade" (a kind of "fake" jade ;"
and "As for my Shang bird, I invite you to send those pics to Sotheby's for evaluation, you might learn something (they might call you back the very same day)."
is really disturbing. Do you know WHY?
Because no Chinese would ever act so arrogantly like you did, and the more they know about anything the more humble they would become.
I once knew a renown jade expert who was invited by Sotheby's to study the 7M (US$) Emperor Qianlong's archer ring collection, whenever I asked him to evaluate some of my jades, he said he would have troubles in even authenticating anything in person, therefore there was simply no way for him to appraise anything in low resolution pictures. When I asked him if he ever handled any Chinese archaic jades (to us that was Han dynasty or earlier), he said out of his whole dealing with jades, he only saw four pieces, with one he knew for sure, and other three that were questionable. Yet for you who appeared to have no troubles in obtaining Shang dynasty jade bird or authentic Hongshan jades, wow, you must be indeed very very LUCKY or all of these Chinese must really really love you.
That reminds me a while ago, there was a OB doctor (physician) who came to this forum to promote his fake Hongshan jades without even understanding even the basics of jade, posting in his site a large Hongshan piece he claimed that was made of yellow nephrite jade without knowing it was made of serpentine. He said there was no nephrite jade in Taiwan? What do you think?
You did appear to know more about jade than this doctor who was sued by his clients in a New York court for selling fake jadeite jewelry. I hope you would be more careful than him because some of those so called Hongshan jades that were posted by you previously in this forum, material of some of them were simply so horrific that they should only be sold on eBay. You have to excuse me for saying that because for somebody who claimed he truly understands what real jade is, how in the world would he believe any jade so ugly, did not contain any of the five virtues of a gentlemen can be authentic HS jades?
You claimed you understand Chinese culture, but I do not believe you do because you surely missed some of the most important aspects in the Chinese culture:
Be humble, while you may believe you know a lot about any subjects, you really cannot know everything and there are a lot of people who know much more than you. To be so arrogant is simply uncalled for. Also, to make others to lose face was simply foolish because you may believe you had won but you had actually lost.
Lastly, please forgive me for being blunt, I have to admit that I do live in the USA for too long and did pick up some bad habits of being blunt. But please please do not ever tell others that they did not understand Chinese culture because it is like
五十步笑百步
(one who retreats fifty steps mocks those who retreat a hundred steps)
or a pot calling the kettle black.
Lastly, please accept my sincere apology if any of my words might have inadvertently offended you and that was not my intention. Cheer.
Super
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