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Subject:Help with 3 Satsuma marks
Posted By: Martin Michels Mon, May 09, 2016 IP: 84.26.216.123
Hallo,

On the internet I found the 3 marks as displayed in the photo's. Number 1 and 2 on Okimono's of a cat and number 3 on a plate. Each has underneath a logo or Kakihan, 2 and 3 are the same and 1 looks like the others but is different.
Has anyone an idea what these are or of who they are?
The rest of the questions are on the photo's.

I know, it's a lot of work, I'm already searching for days now and came only as far as shown.
Thanks in advance and your input would be highly appreciated.
Regards,
Martin.







Subject:Re: Help with 3 Satsuma marks
Posted By: Guy Tue, May 10, 2016
壽鳳 Juhô
豊斎 Hôsai
龍閣 Ryûkaku

The 'kakihan' following 'Hôsai' and 'Ryûkaku' seem to be identical. Same artist using different artist's names?

Guy.

Subject:Re: Help with 3 Satsuma marks
Posted By: Martin Michels Wed, May 11, 2016
Guy,

In Dutch: Hartstikke bedankt, meaning: thank you very very much. Great help.

About the Kakihan, same artist using different names, maybe, or it's the logo of a kiln or studio with a number of artists. I guess, it will be a matter of accidently running into something on the internet to find an answer.

Thanks again, regards,
Martin

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Subject:Re: Help with 3 Satsuma marks
Posted By: Guy Thu, May 12, 2016
Martin,

A kakihan (or kao) is a strictly personal mark (you could compare it with a monogram), so I assume that both Hôsai and Ryûkaku must be one person.

On the other hand, Hôsai and Ryûkaku are 'gô' (artist names) and it was common that individual artists changed their 'gô' during a career (a good example is Hokusai, who used dozens of different artist's names).

Guy.

(BTW: in Antwerpen zeggen we tegenwoordig 'merciekes'....)

Subject:Re: Help with 3 Satsuma marks
Posted By: Martin Michels Fri, May 13, 2016
Guy,

Verrassend, wij 2 kunnen dus in het Nederlands communiceren. Mocht je in Antwerpen wonen, dan zitten we niet zo ver van elkaar. Ik woon in Bergen op Zoom.

For all others: I've seen that the plate with the Ryukaku mark was under discussion earlier on this forum. On the front is a Japanese dragon painted (3 claws). Since Ryukaku means something like "Dragon Pavillion",perhaps it's possible that Hosai is the artist of that plate also (same Kakihan) and just referred to the dragon with the signature. Just guessing.

Regards,
Martin.

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