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Subject:Inscriptions on 2 Chinese paintings
Posted By: Jay Cutler MVP Wed, May 18, 2016 IP: 93.205.230.140
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Subject:Re: Inscriptions on 2 Chinese paintings
Posted By: rat Thu, May 19, 2016 first one is low quality and claiming to be by Zhang Daqian, second one looks like an actual painting by someone surnamed Zhang, please post photos of the picture. |
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Subject:Re: Inscriptions on 2 Chinese paintings
Posted By: Jay Cutler MVP Fri, May 20, 2016
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Subject:Re: Inscriptions on 2 Chinese paintings
Posted By: rat Sat, May 21, 2016 thank you. the last two characters of the inscription read 大千 or daqian, but this is a fabrication. it is trying to be an early work of Zhang's in the style of Dong Yuan through the lens of Qing? versions of Huang Gongwang. paper has been dyed, calligraphy does not resemble Zhang's. |
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Subject:Re: Inscriptions on 2 Chinese paintings
Posted By: Jay Cutler MVP Fri, May 20, 2016 The second painting could be more recent just from the style and looks. |
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Subject:Re: Inscriptions on 2 Chinese paintings
Posted By: Super Sat, May 21, 2016 Agree with rat, second one is much better than the first one. |
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Subject:Re: Inscriptions on 2 Chinese paintings
Posted By: Jay Cutler MVP Sun, May 22, 2016
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Subject:Re: Inscriptions on 2 Chinese paintings
Posted By: John Rohrer Tue, May 24, 2016 Zhang Daqian was the ultimate master of creating a dynamic energy within his landscapes. |
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Subject:Re: Inscriptions on 2 Chinese paintings
Posted By: Rat Thu, May 26, 2016 Easiest way to categorize it for you is "bad fake", artistically for the reasons John pointed out. The actual artist seems to have had the idea of creating a picture that refers back to very recognizable aesthetic styles. Artists such as Zhang Daqian, and Zhang had particular interest in Dong Yuan, would have painted this sort of thing early in their careers and perhaps returned to it from time to time thereafter, but again as John points out this picture has zero real connection to Zhang other than the two characters at the end of the inscription that are pretending to be his signature. Stylistically it combines Dong Yuan and Huang Gongwang tropes with an early compositional style, all filtered through the lens of the Four Wangs. But artistically it's just unappealing. Look at more genuine pictures for comparison. The other picture is a commercial/decorative work, more an homage to Chinese landscape painting tradition than anything else. |
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Subject:Re: Inscriptions on 2 Chinese paintings
Posted By: Mr. Lau Mon, May 30, 2016 "Bad Fake"? What is a bad fake, copy, and reproduction. A lot of people say Zhang copyed famous artist art's work, but I have not seen the Original works from the copyed artist's. Now if Zhang did copy orther artist' Original art painting and not sign be Zhang. Then that a is "forgery". And is against the Law! I don't think Zhang would like to be a criminal. They are alot of fakes and "Zhang" was also a fake. When Zhang was still alive his own paintings were worthless and many people turn down free paintings that Zhang were offering to friends,family,and etc's. They are a lot of Zhang's art paintings been sold at auction's. Not one paintings are from close friends and relatives. |
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Subject:What kind of naive comments?
Posted By: Super Tue, May 31, 2016 "Mr. Lau" or whoever you are: |
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Subject:Re: What kind of naive comments?
Posted By: rat Wed, Jun 01, 2016 More information on Zhang's forgeries is a chapter in Shen Fu and Jan Stuart, "Challenging the Past: The Paintings of Zhang Dai-ch'ien". |
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