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Re: Really great jade pieces or fakes?
Posted By: gman
Posted Date: Dec 31, 2007 (04:29 PM)
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Bill,
Sorry, I know you asked for comments by forum jade experts.

However, do you think anything anyone in this forum says will make any difference to any of the raised crystal disciples over there?

You know they would just cry that it is more conservative rhetoric.

I think we all understand very well that their whole world rests on their perceived importance of raised crystals, and the impossibility of them being faked.

I am quite impressed with the findings of Dr. Cook as regards the manner in which raised crystals form from impurities within the stone.

While at the same time, if an enterprising jade forgery entrepreneur has found an effective and cost efficient way to simulate/stimulate the growth of those crystals....where there is a will and a profit to be made, there is a way.

If someone can fake those crystals and they are convincing, those forum member's belief system will only allow them to believe, and like lemmings they will follow each other off of the cliff to be dashed on the rocks below.

And of course they will be arguing, disagreeing, calling each other idiots, and at the same time all the way down they will try to convince each other that they are scholars, and that they are doing the World a great favor with their "discussions" right up to the moment when they impact the ground.

I had been keeping up with that thread prior to you posting this thread, and I think you made some very good points in your argument, and that there needs to be some further information given about the origin and anthropology of these disks.

Especially if there are no other specimens of this type of artifact known to acheologists.

The photos posted are in a public forum, perhaps you could forward them to the Chinese authorities to see what their opinion is as to the possible dynasty, excavation site, artistic form, and possible use.

I of course am no expert, and cannot say whether they are authentic or not, only that I don't believe they should be rubber stamped as authentic based strictly on the raised crystals by a bunch of self-authenticating collectors who seldom agree with each other, led by a dealer who has the Worlds largest self-authenticated collection of un-documented and un-researched jade and jade-like stones which are in many cases such as the multi-ringed disks in that thread "too good to be true", and pretty much all very similar in "surface weathering".

I agree that they should be studied by the proper authorities to determine who made them, what they are, where they came from, and what they were used for.

As it stands, if it is true that there are no other known artifacts to compare them with, the owners are doing the the World of archeology a dis-service by simply hoarding them, and presumably financing a ring of tomb-robbers who are defacing an important excavation site, and denying the World of an important discovery.

But that is the way liberals think.... do as they say, not as they do.

Just my conservative $00.02 worth.
Cheers
Gman

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