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early vase id - jbeuckner - Mar 02, 2013 (12:50 PM)
- Re: early vase id - jbeuckner - Mar 03, 2013 (11:33 AM)
  - Re: Re: early vase id - Bill H - Mar 05, 2013 (03:16 PM)
    - Re: Re: Re: early vase id - PLASTICMAN9 - Mar 11, 2013 (04:28 PM)

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Subject:early vase id
Posted By: jbeuckner Sat, Mar 02, 2013 IP: 71.23.89.102

any information would be appreciated....
purchased more than 50 years ago from a collector who had a significant collection, saw a similar supposed Ming around 20 years ago in a sothebys cat.

thank you in advance

Subject:Re: early vase id
Posted By: jbeuckner Sun, Mar 03, 2013

pictures added

Subject:Re: Re: early vase id
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Mar 05, 2013

I believe that drinking bottles of this shape, with a pronounced lip at the top, went by the name "guglet" during the 18th century. Some details of yours make me wonder if it might not be English. perhaps by Worcester or another maker in the Staffordshire area.

For comparison, I've added some images of a mid-18th century Worcester "Dr. Wall" era teapot. Your bottle appears to have a few details in common with the pot, included the ribbing and the flat-footed base with what looks to be a dull-glazed center, though the latter is hard to see through the dirt.

You may wish to check your bottle for a narrow flat ridge of glaze at the very base of the inner foot. Such a line is visible on the base of the teapot, and is where residual glaze shrank into the corner during firing after most glaze had been wiped off the bottom when freshly applied to prevent the piece from sticking to the sagger in the kiln. This "dry line" or "wipe line" is diagnostic of wares made at the mid-18th century Worcester "Dr. Wall" kiln and by some other English ceramics factories such as Bow and Chelsea.

Good luck,

Bill H.

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Subject:Re: Re: Re: early vase id
Posted By: PLASTICMAN9 Mon, Mar 11, 2013

There is presently a similar bottle,although in delft,currently for sale on ebay.This has been converted to a lamp base,but has a similar ribbed pattern and general shape.Check out the similarities by looking for item number 390539845672.This may give a stylistic connection,but not help identifying the country of origin or period of manufacture.