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Subject:CHINESE FAMILLE ROSE PORCELAIN VASE QING HALLMARK HELP
Posted By: Jamie Mon, Aug 10, 2015 IP: 68.200.220.112 I am still learning Chinese hallmarks and cant figure this one out. Is this a true Qing mark or a 20th century hallmark. The vase has good detail Any information about the mark and what the scene depicts will help. |
Subject:Re: CHINESE FAMILLE ROSE PORCELAIN VASE QING HALLMARK HELP
Posted By: Bill H Tue, Aug 11, 2015 There are no markings shown, but the vase depicts the three Daoist Star Gods, Fuxing (Wealth), Luxing (Happy home life) and Shouxing (Longevity). They usually are depicted in the midst of bestowing their blessings to deserving disciples. Hard to say what else might be happening on this vase. The painting style strikes me as being of the Republic Period (1912-1949) or later, but perhaps Tony Allen will have something else to say on that point. |
Subject:Re: CHINESE FAMILLE ROSE PORCELAIN VASE QING HALLMARK HELP
Posted By: LEE Wed, Aug 12, 2015 Looks like a modern replica of a republic vase. you get them in eBay and even in auction houses in America. they are usually sold undated. The painting is usually clumsier than the original. The faker will buy or borrow a original and try and replicate it from the foot to the up. the color the wear every single aspect of it. some are replicated with flaking glaze and even undulating orange peel glaze. The best ones will even fool the best experts. They are brought to the west by agents and sold in auctions, to fool the unsuspecting collector. Some can sell for many thousands. |
Subject:Re: CHINESE FAMILLE ROSE PORCELAIN VASE QING HALLMARK HELP
Posted By: jamie Thu, Aug 13, 2015 Ok here are some more photos. Can anyone confirm its a replica or real if not real what value. Thanks. |
Subject:Re: CHINESE FAMILLE ROSE PORCELAIN VASE QING HALLMARK HELP
Posted By: Bill H Fri, Aug 14, 2015 As to your query of real or fake, the depiction of "The Eight Immortals on the Waves" became a standard pattern for Chinese Daoists ages ago. It is part of what the New York Metropolitan Museum of Art calls the Chinese tradition of "Design Continuation". |
Subject:Re: CHINESE FAMILLE ROSE PORCELAIN VASE QING HALLMARK HELP
Posted By: jamie Wed, Aug 12, 2015 This is a link to more photos of the vase and mark. |
Subject:Re: CHINESE FAMILLE ROSE PORCELAIN VASE QING HALLMARK HELP
Posted By: LEE Thu, Aug 13, 2015 on looking at your other photos on the eBay website I suspect it is late republic period |
Subject:Re: CHINESE FAMILLE ROSE PORCELAIN VASE QING HALLMARK HELP
Posted By: Jamie Fri, Aug 14, 2015 So when you say late republic would that be the 1940's. Also what about the mark can anyone tell me about the mark. Thanks for all your help. |
Subject:Re: CHINESE FAMILLE ROSE PORCELAIN VASE QING HALLMARK HELP
Posted By: LEE Sat, Aug 15, 2015 The qian character on the qianlong mark has two 2 strokes rather than a S and a 2 stroke in the typical 18th century mark. This is usually a indicator that it is made in the 1940s or later, when it is not so necessary to totally duplicate a 18th century piece as most folks at the time are either too poor to collect or are too smart to be fooled. The earlier republic replica have a more exact typical 18th century qianlong mark and are harder to tell from the 18th century originals. they are like the first class modern replicas that can even fool a expert, where lots of effort is put into producing a perfect fake that can sell for thousands if not millions. They are the good times prosperous replicas to fool the monied. |
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